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I have had a fair amount of experience with quite a few soft synths and hardware synths over the past few years. Although the software sound has gotten better and indeed the Virus powecore version is sounding like the Virus B that lived in my studio for a good few months, the software emulations of analog synths (and even though software developers claim otherwise, but that's marketing for you) are not convincing at all! The sound of a transistor ladder filter, a CEM 3320 filter, a WASP filter that abuses digital inverters, an SSM2040/2044 filter, a diode filter, a completely descrete filter, the sound of a Moog VCO, a CEM 3340 VCO, or even better a totally descrete VCO are yet to be 1:1 or even touched by software. It does not stop there, the sound of an analog ring modulator, a phase shifter, a delay or flanger module, a Bode type frequency shifter, a spring reverb... from my experience software sounds like cheap plastik toys compared to the real thing. Even my CEM ADSRs sound punchier than any digital ADSR I've heard. Don't ask me how this is since surely software ADSRs should be lightning fast, but getting punchy filter sounds with a bit of fast decay on the cut-off takes more than simply applying EG modulation of software synths. You can even tell with hardware synths like the Studio Electronics SE-1 that is an analog synth with digital envelopes that let it down a lot in that department...even the Andromeda suffers from its digital multistage EGs. Even hardware digital effects are sounding better than software. Surely its all a matter of processing power but whilst software does not come even close to the sound of the Eventide Eclipse (reverbs and pitch/modulation algorithms), the very cheap Lexicon MPX-1 pisses and shits all over software reverbs! I can say the same for the budget MPX-100...it sounds far better than say the WAVES software reverbs that cost something like 5 times its price. So far the only software developer that is doing an ok job is Creamware. It needs a its own DSP to run the synths, but it is still 0's and 1's. The Minimax is ok, the Pro-1 is kinda ok, but the original CEM 3340 VCO, going through that CEM 3320 VCF and the Pro-1's VCA just gives a sound that is more alive. The only soft synth that stands out for me is Absynth. It does not try to emulate anything, it just sounds very good and the breakpoint envelopes are great fun. I am not even going to go to the inspiration factor as I hate looking at toy like GUIs and having to map CC's, automate parameters all the time, I HATE zipper noise and having to use a mouse for tweaking synths is like having to paint a painting with the brush stuck between your buttchicks. Tsiou.

Analog Solutions, Analog Systems and Doepfer are probably the most known "eurorack" modular format companies out there. They are no hidden secret. Try also these ones http://www.modularsynth.com/ http://arts.ucsc.edu/ems/music/equipment/synthesizers/analog/moog/Moog.html http://www.modcan.com/page2.html http://www.oakleysound.co.uk/ http://www.synthtech.com/ http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/index2.htm http://www.doepfer.de/ http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/buchla/ http://www.obsolete.com/120_years/machines/arp/ Tsiou.

It is sad to see the name "Juno" associated with this horrid piece of plastik junk. The Junos were all about creative synthesis, using the DCOs and the nice filter, the amp that "spits" out nice filthy lines, punchy ADSR and a fantastic chorus and the great stereo imaging that it provided. Things VERY different from simply playing "radio ready"sounds from a ROMpler. As if the JVs were not enough ROMplers from Roland, they thought they'd fool the average songwriter that this product is aiming at and slap the "Juno" name on there hoping that it would take the engineer's/producer's, minds away from the Roland D-50. Its sad that companies like Roland and Korg that used to make synths that inspired people to create new genres of music that swept the globe like a tidal wave, are only out to make a quick buck, providing people with the same ROMplers and bad attemts at emulating their original analog gear. Thank God for the second hand vintage market and the few people that still make real synths today. Tsiou.

I got two pairs of monitors a pair of Mackies HR824's and a pair of Alesis M1 mk2 actives. For the money I can't stress how good the M1's are. They are not telling you all of the "truth", but at that price you can't get something that is flat lower than 45Hz or so. I'm am staying away from Behringer products my self too. Tsiou.

I used to have a Virus B, but got rid of it. Its the most overrated synth on the market in my opinion. It has got loads of features that might sound impressive to some people to start with, but the "raw" sound is nothing special. Quite "plastiky" sounding which is not what I want from my sounds at all. I am into dance music too, I like 4/4 but I am leaning towards the breakbeat tip more. Although some people rave about the Virus (especially the ones that make the cheesy trance stuff, which suits that music just fine), I believe its a waste of money. If you have effects, and if you really want a V.A. you'll be much better off with a Nord Lead/Modular/G2. If you want the real thing you'll be much better with a Jupiter 8/V4 MKS-80 with programmer, or even a cheaper Jupiter 6 if you don't wanna sell your RS. Check Dave Smith's Polyphonic Evolver as well. You'll need a good midi controller for that synth, but its got a nice sound. Tsiou.

Agreed. Just contributing to this thread since the question was which software we are using and why. Off course it all comes down to the person making the music. I'm talking from the raw producer's point of view, but I am also expressing my love for the real analog sound as an artist. Tsiou.

*Edit since greeklish is not allowed here.* I hope I did not upset you Gianni. My opinion is based only on my experiences with software and hardware. Tsiou.

To mono soft synth pou mou aresei einai to Absynth...alla den trelenwmai ki'olas. Tsiou.

1) Logic 5.5 giati kata thn tapeinh mou gnwmh exei to kalytero interface. Apo soft synths, mono to Absynth kai ayto spania. 2) Ayto pou leipei apo to software einai h poiothta hxou. H mousikh mou einai gemath apo subtractive synthesis patches kai soft synths opos to Arturia Moog Modular, Reaktor 4, ImpOscar, Korg Legacy (mono to Wavestation aksize), Pro 53 den me enthousiasan katholou. Ta soft synths exoun beltiothei arketa ta teleytaia xronia, alla exoun poly dromo akoma gia na ftasoun se ikanopoihtika epipeda, idiaitera ama to metro sygrishs einai analog synthia. Protimw ta modular synthia mou akoma kai gia aplous FM hxous me kana dyo operators, alla to FM 7 einai kalo mono kai mono gia thn eykolia programming gia patches me perisoterous operators (se sxesh me ta DX/TX/SY FM synthia ths Yamaha ta opoia epernan poly wra gia programming). Dystyxws to FM 7 mesa apo thn Delta 1010 den akougetai to idio gemato me to DX-7. Den ksero ama einai oi DAC, h o amplifier to DX-7 alla den einai ta idia. To Absynth omos einai kati parapano apo allh mia apotyxhmenh prospatheia ekswmeiwshs analogikou synthiou. Ta breakpoint envelopes einai poly eksypnos tropos gia na programathseis kinoumena soundscapes kai evolving atmospheres. Oso gia effects, xrhsimopoio to Stereo kai Tape delay tou logic, opos kai to Ohm Boyz delay plug, alla gia reverbs kai modulation douleyw apokleistika me hardware reverbs (Eventide Eclipse, Lexicon MPX-1, Lexicon MPX-100) kai Doepfer analog phase shifter gia modulation sthn fash tou shmatos. Ena apo ta busses ths consolas mou phgainei ston envelope follower twn modulars etsi wste mporw na epeksergastw otidhpote mesa apo ta 50 analog filters, analog phase shifter, 3 ring modulators, kai ena PLL (Phase Lock Loop) module pou exw epanw sto modular to opoio exei treis diaforetikous typous comparators ena me exclusive OR gates, ena RS flip-flop (gia osous thymaste basic digital electronics), kai ena pio polyploko digital memory network. Apo V.A.s eixa ena Supernova 2, ena MS2000, ena Virus B, kai ena Nord Lead alla ta esteila ola mias kai sxedon panta antikathistousa ta V.A. patches, me ena apo ta analog synthia mou. Tsiou.

Tsiba ena midi interface me toulaxiston 2 Midi input. http://www.dv247.com/invt/14729 http://www.dv247.com/invt/9256 http://www.dv247.com/invt/6340 Kai ego grafo me 2 controllers, to ena einai keyboard gia tis notes, to allo einai Midi drum pad gia ta drum parts. Oxi oti den mporeis na grapseis drum parts me to keyboard, alla allh fash na kopanas pragmata me ksyla :D Tsiou.

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Vitsioza den einai h swsth leksh...syneidhtopoieimenh einai pio swsth. :wink: Tsiou.

Merikoi den goustaroun dynamic range. Den milao gia trelo limiting pou petsokobei olo to frequency range, alla milao gia pumping compression pou kanei tous hxous na ksephdane apo to P.A. kai einai teleiws "in your face". Pws na to kanoume dhladh...ama theleis classical music, h na kaneis hxo gia tainies, h kati tetoio, cool. Alla ama kaneis dance, hip-hop, rock, pop, funk mousikh, oso pio slamming ta bassa, ta drums, lip/breathing action sta vox (ala Michael Jackson), kai fat kithares...etc, toso to kalytero. Oso gia ta Pro-Tools, ta eipate eidh. Oloi oi dhthen "hot-shot" producers pou den thelane na asxolountai me computers, hthelan ena aksiopoisto digital platform na doulepsoun kai oi (eksypnoi) anthrwpoi tis Digidesign tous edosan ena systhma me poly kalo audio engine, excellent digital summing opou mporeis na mixareis pola channels internaly kai na mhn xaneis se poiothta...tous dwsane kai TDM plg-ins gia na blepoun ton Urei kai ton LA2A sto screen mpas kai tous mperdepsoun kai nomizoun oti to sound quality einai to idio me enan hardware original black/silverface kai Teletronix limiter...San na sou deixnoun mia agelada sthn othonh kai na sou paizoun probata apo ta monitors mexri na peis oti oi agelades belazoun dhladh... :roll: Tsiou.

:lol: Tis kopelias mou tis aresei na me blepei na programatizo patches sta modular synthesiser mou. Mou exei pei oti einai sexy otan bgazo/bazo ta patch cables mesa sta CV kai audio inputs ton modules :wink: Tsiou.

Exoun dynamikes, apla to resolution einai usually apo 0-127 se fthna set. Gia thn douleia pou ta xrhsimopoio ego einai mia xara, den xreaizomai poly dynamics sto stage, perno kai ena compressora sto stage gia na exo pio synexes output. Tsiou.

Pali ksexasa na kano log-in. :oops: Tsiou.

Nai to psy-trance einai arketa pareksighmeno me ola ayta ta Israilitika tsiftetelia pou yparxoun aytes tis meres. Alla einai kai merika kala sxhmata kyrios apo Denmark, Sweden kai UK pou exoun kalo output. Thn trance fash pou goustareis den thn exo eksereynhsei, tosos ligos xronos, tosa polla pragmata na akouso, den prolabaino. Aphex, Squarepusher, Aerovane..etc kai ta Warp releases mou aresoun pantos. To minimoog ths Arturia den mou arese, poly flat hxos kai to filtro tou einai makria apo ena original Moog, idios otan to resonance einai se pshla settings. Idia fash me to Moog Modular, polys logos gia to tipota ama exeis doulepsei me real analog. Tsiou.

Dynaudio BM6 (passive) ama exeis amp. Ksekinhsa kai ego me ta Absolute 2s, meta phga sta active Alesis M1 mk2 ta opoia exo akoma sto saloni. Tora sto studio exo ta Mackies HR 824s. To kalytero pou tha mporouses na kaneis einai na mazepseis liga akoma gia xtyphseis ayta. Yparxoun kai ta Mackies HR 624s, kai ta Event 20/20s ama thes kati tora. Tsiou.

Olo ksexnao na kano log in... Tsiou.

Aytos hmoun ego pou pali ksexasa na kano log-in prin apanthso. Tsiou

Bale ena soft synth mesa apo ena CEM filter san ayto H ena WASP filter H merika Moog filters, kai state variable opos ayta kai ayta Kai ela meta na mou peis oti me DSP exeis ta idia apotelesmata. Tsiou.