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    software:μουσική τεχνολογιά ή "μπλιμπλίκι" ?

    @ DAW & Υπολογιστές

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    Από πλευράς ήχων' date=' το software είναι πλέον ο νικητής ή έστω το επόμενο βήμα.

     

    Δες το Gigastudio, τις εκδόσεις sampler Kompakt, intakt της ΝΙ, το Halion αλλά και τις βιβλιοθήκες σε format kontakt, ή τα VSTi της Spectrasonics, τις τεράστιες επενδύσεις σε βιβλιοθήκες όπως η Vienna Libray κ.λπ.

    Αρκεί να αγοράσει κανείς ένα mother 88 keys και από εκεί και πέρα όλoι οι ήχοι software.

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    Everything you've mentioned is sample libraries, including the Spectrasonics products which are basically soft ROMplers (they sampled *a lot* of analogue synths for the libraries ;)) and have some of the worst sounding filters, even in the software realm.

     

    Tsiou.

    software:μουσική τεχνολογιά ή "μπλιμπλίκι" ?

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    I have had a fair amount of experience with quite a few soft synths and hardware synths over the past few years. Although the software sound has gotten better and indeed the Virus powecore version is sounding like the Virus B that lived in my studio for a good few months, the software emulations of analog synths (and even though software developers claim otherwise, but that's marketing for you) are not convincing at all!

    The sound of a transistor ladder filter, a CEM 3320 filter, a WASP filter that abuses digital inverters, an SSM2040/2044 filter, a diode filter, a completely descrete filter, the sound of a Moog VCO, a CEM 3340 VCO, or even better a totally descrete VCO are yet to be 1:1 or even touched by software.

    It does not stop there, the sound of an analog ring modulator, a phase shifter, a delay or flanger module, a Bode type frequency shifter, a spring reverb... from my experience software sounds like cheap plastik toys compared to the real thing.

    Even my CEM ADSRs sound punchier than any digital ADSR I've heard. Don't ask me how this is since surely software ADSRs should be lightning fast, but getting punchy filter sounds with a bit of fast decay on the cut-off takes more than simply applying EG modulation of software synths.

    You can even tell with hardware synths like the Studio Electronics SE-1 that is an analog synth with digital envelopes that let it down a lot in that department...even the Andromeda suffers from its digital multistage EGs.

     

    Even hardware digital effects are sounding better than software. Surely its all a matter of processing power but whilst software does not come even close to the sound of the Eventide Eclipse (reverbs and pitch/modulation algorithms), the very cheap Lexicon MPX-1 pisses and shits all over software reverbs!

    I can say the same for the budget MPX-100...it sounds far better than say the WAVES software reverbs that cost something like 5 times its price.

     

    So far the only software developer that is doing an ok job is Creamware. It needs a its own DSP to run the synths, but it is still 0's and 1's. The Minimax is ok, the Pro-1 is kinda ok, but the original CEM 3340 VCO, going through that CEM 3320 VCF and the Pro-1's VCA just gives a sound that is more alive.

     

    The only soft synth that stands out for me is Absynth. It does not try to emulate anything, it just sounds very good and the breakpoint envelopes are great fun.

     

    I am not even going to go to the inspiration factor as I hate looking at toy like GUIs and having to map CC's, automate parameters all the time, I HATE zipper noise and having to use a mouse for tweaking synths is like having to paint a painting with the brush stuck between your buttchicks.

     

     

    Tsiou.

    Το καλύτερο...(Περί Software)

    @ DAW & Υπολογιστές

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    Η ανάγκη για ευκολία και για εξοικονόμιση χρόνου (και πως το αντιλαμβάνεται κάποιος αυτό). Τι κι αν το Moog Modular έχει τρελές δυνατότητες' date=' όταν θα πρέπει να κάτσω να φτιάξω μία μακαρονάδα από virtual καλώδια για να πετύχω το μπάσσο που θέλω... no thanks. Κι αν πρέπει η παραγωγή να γίνει μέσα σε ένα απόγευμα;

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    Getting bass out of a modular synth is the easiest and fastest patch to make. I use modular synths and I get all my bass patches in 1-2 minutes tops! And that includes the (short) amount of time it takes to pick and insert the patch cables i the modules' audio/CV inputs/outputs, since I use real analog modular synths and not plug-ins where cables instantly patch them selves in with a few clicks.

    If the synth has got "the sound" to back it up, getting subtractive, ring modulation, PLL or FM bass patches, only takes a few minutes. And the best thing about modulars, if you've used one of them, you know how to use all of them. :)

    No need for learning how to cope with annoying interfaces and horrid/ackward GUIs that "kill" your inspiration the minute you look at the screen.

     

    Tsiou.

    analogue synths

    @ Πιάνο, Πλήκτρα & Synthesizer

    Access virus C?

    @ Πιάνο, Πλήκτρα & Synthesizer

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    It is sad to see the name "Juno" associated with this horrid piece of plastik junk. The Junos were all about creative synthesis, using the DCOs and the nice filter, the amp that "spits" out nice filthy lines, punchy ADSR and a fantastic chorus and the great stereo imaging that it provided.

    Things VERY different from simply playing "radio ready"sounds from a ROMpler.

    As if the JVs were not enough ROMplers from Roland, they thought they'd fool the average songwriter that this product is aiming at and slap the "Juno" name on there hoping that it would take the engineer's/producer's, minds away from the Roland D-50.

     

    Its sad that companies like Roland and Korg that used to make synths that inspired people to create new genres of music that swept the globe like a tidal wave, are only out to make a quick buck, providing people with the same ROMplers and bad attemts at emulating their original analog gear.

    Thank God for the second hand vintage market and the few people that still make real synths today.

     

    Tsiou.

    Access virus C?

    @ Πιάνο, Πλήκτρα & Synthesizer

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    I used to have a Virus B, but got rid of it. Its the most overrated synth on the market in my opinion. It has got loads of features that might sound impressive to some people to start with, but the "raw" sound is nothing special. Quite "plastiky" sounding which is not what I want from my sounds at all.

    I am into dance music too, I like 4/4 but I am leaning towards the breakbeat tip more. Although some people rave about the Virus (especially the ones that make the cheesy trance stuff, which suits that music just fine), I believe its a waste of money. If you have effects, and if you really want a V.A. you'll be much better off with a Nord Lead/Modular/G2.

    If you want the real thing you'll be much better with a Jupiter 8/V4 MKS-80 with programmer, or even a cheaper Jupiter 6 if you don't wanna sell your RS.

    Check Dave Smith's Polyphonic Evolver as well. You'll need a good midi controller for that synth, but its got a nice sound.

     

    Tsiou.

    Το καλύτερο...(Περί Software)

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    1) Logic 5.5 giati kata thn tapeinh mou gnwmh exei to kalytero interface.

    Apo soft synths, mono to Absynth kai ayto spania.

     

    2) Ayto pou leipei apo to software einai h poiothta hxou.

    H mousikh mou einai gemath apo subtractive synthesis patches kai soft synths opos to Arturia Moog Modular, Reaktor 4, ImpOscar, Korg Legacy (mono to Wavestation aksize), Pro 53 den me enthousiasan katholou. Ta soft synths exoun beltiothei arketa ta teleytaia xronia, alla exoun poly dromo akoma gia na ftasoun se ikanopoihtika epipeda, idiaitera ama to metro sygrishs einai analog synthia.

    Protimw ta modular synthia mou akoma kai gia aplous FM hxous me kana dyo operators, alla to FM 7 einai kalo mono kai mono gia thn eykolia programming gia patches me perisoterous operators (se sxesh me ta DX/TX/SY FM synthia ths Yamaha ta opoia epernan poly wra gia programming).

    Dystyxws to FM 7 mesa apo thn Delta 1010 den akougetai to idio gemato me to DX-7. Den ksero ama einai oi DAC, h o amplifier to DX-7 alla den einai ta idia.

    To Absynth omos einai kati parapano apo allh mia apotyxhmenh prospatheia ekswmeiwshs analogikou synthiou. Ta breakpoint envelopes einai poly eksypnos tropos gia na programathseis kinoumena soundscapes kai evolving atmospheres.

    Oso gia effects, xrhsimopoio to Stereo kai Tape delay tou logic, opos kai to Ohm Boyz delay plug, alla gia reverbs kai modulation douleyw apokleistika me hardware reverbs (Eventide Eclipse, Lexicon MPX-1, Lexicon MPX-100) kai Doepfer analog phase shifter gia modulation sthn fash tou shmatos.

    Ena apo ta busses ths consolas mou phgainei ston envelope follower twn modulars etsi wste mporw na epeksergastw otidhpote mesa apo ta 50 analog filters, analog phase shifter, 3 ring modulators, kai ena PLL (Phase Lock Loop) module pou exw epanw sto modular to opoio exei treis diaforetikous typous comparators ena me exclusive OR gates, ena RS flip-flop (gia osous thymaste basic digital electronics), kai ena pio polyploko digital memory network.

    Apo V.A.s eixa ena Supernova 2, ena MS2000, ena Virus B, kai ena Nord Lead alla ta esteila ola mias kai sxedon panta antikathistousa ta V.A. patches, me ena apo ta analog synthia mou.

     

    Tsiou.

    Παίξε με τα κουμπιά για να μάθεις ! ! !

    @ DAW & Υπολογιστές

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    :lol:

    Tis kopelias mou tis aresei na me blepei na programatizo patches sta modular synthesiser mou. Mou exei pei oti einai sexy otan bgazo/bazo ta patch cables mesa sta CV kai audio inputs ton modules :wink:

     

    Tsiou.

     

    χαχαχαχαχαχααααχχαχαχαχαχχχουχουχουχουχουχουαοχυαοχυαοχυα

     

    Aποκλείεται να μιλάς σοβαρά' date=' έτσι δεν είναι?[/quote']

    110% sobaros 8)

     

    Tsiou.

    The Death of Dynamic Range

    @ Ηχοληψία, Παραγωγή, Mix & Master

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    καταρχην' date=' οι ηχογραφησεις κλασσικης μουσικης εχουν τεραστια δυναμικη περιοχη και αψογη παρουσια σε ολο το ηχητικο φασμα. και οχι λογω οργανολογιας, αλλα λογω της ιδιαιτερης φροντιδας των παραγωγων που ασχολουνται με το ειδος. παρολα αυτα, μπορει κανεις να διαπιστωσει μεγαλες σταθμες σε ενα δισκο η σε ενα live κλασσικης μουσικης, στα ιδια περιπου επιπεδα με ενα rock δισκο η ενα rock συγκροτημα. η full ορχηστρα μπορει να πιασει πολλα db...μα παρα πολλα...

     

    οι dance, hip hop, r'n'b καλλιτεχνες συναγωνιζονται για το ποιος θα εχει τον πιο overcompressed δισκο. δεν μπορει η διαθεση μιας σκηνης να γινει κανονας παραγωγης παγκοσμιως. ναι, ολοι τους χρησιμοποιουν limiters και compressors συνεχως, σε ολα τα σταδια παραγωγης. καποιοι μαλιστα ανακαλυπτουν και το μυστικο των rock παραγωγων που λεγεται distressor. φτασαμε ομως στο σημειο οπου δεν μπορουν να πανε παραπανω σε ενταση. και τι κανουν? παραμορφωνουν το υλικο....

     

    το να ακρωτηριαζεις τη μουσικη σου για να ακουγεται δυνατα ειναι σαν να παιρνεις αναβολικα για να τρεχεις πιο γρηγορα.[/quote']

    Beibaiws kai h klassikh mousikh mporei na peiasei polla dB, alla to megalo dynamic range einai meros tou performance, ama perioriseis to dynamic range, xalas to performance toso apo to engineering side of things, oso kai apo to kallitexniko.

    Oi r'n'b kai hip-hop paragwgoi den einai oi monoi pou paramorfwnoun to yliko gia na grapsoun ena pio "kayto" master, all ayparxoun kai typakia pou bgazoun *poly* dynata master xwris na petsokoboun to mix.

     

    διαφωνω με τον ορο slamming. διαφωνω και με τη λογικη pumping. υπαρχουν αλλοι τροποι πιο δημιουργικοι για να εχει ενταση ενα κομματι. η μποτα' date=' το μπασσο, το beat, η φωνη, μπορουν να ειναι in your face και all over και χωρις την υπαρξη compression στο σταδιο της μειξης. αν οι εγγραφες εχουν γινει στην μεγιστη δυνατη σταθμη, και αν οι χροιες ειναι σωστες και ισσοροπημενες, δεν χρειαζεται καν limiter. η ιδανικη μειξη δεν χρειαζεται καν mastering.

     

    ο michael jackson που ανεφερες δεν ειναι παραδειγμα ισσοροπημενης μειξης. ειναι πρωτα η φωνη του και μετα το χαος...

     

    τελος, τα χειλικα και τα στοματικα ειναι χρησιμα μονο εαν εχουν προκυψει δυνατα κατα το tracking (καλος προενισχυτης μικροφωνου, καλο μικροφωνο, καλος χωρος ηχογραφησης, καλο gain structure). η χρηση compression για την αναδειξη των χειλικων σε ενα τραγουδιστη ειναι κατα τη γνωμη μου η ευκολη λυση.[/quote']

    Edw tha synfwnhsoume na diafwnisoume. Me compression ta pragmata einai poly pio in your face. Swsta compressed parts (me arketo gain reduction kai dynata ratios) einai gia mena poly kalytera apo uncompressed parts. Bebaia h mixh einai akoma o pio symantikos paragontas sto teliko mix, alla o hxos pou exei p.x. mia mpota mesa apo enan photo-compressora pou afhnei to clicky transient na perasei kai meta skaei grhgora san sfyri epano sto decaying boom kai taytoxrona to krataei "ekei pano" mexri na stamathsei, deinei ena apotelesma to opoio den plhseiazeis me to na sprwxneis apla ta faders. Compressarwntas to shma, allazeis to harmoniko tou spectrum, fairnontas xamhloteres harmonikes sto idio level me tis dynates, kaneis to shma pio pykno kai tous dineis ena idiaitero dynamico xarakthra o opoios einai metablhtos me to gyrisma merikwn knobs, pou opws kai na to kanoume, den ginetai me opoiadhpote topothethsh tou mic, oute me EQ, oute me labata mics, proenysxhseis...etc

    Teleies mikseis panta exoun na kerdisoun apo mastering. Ama ola einai under control sto mix ligo soft compression/limiting that botheisei to master na akougetai akoma pio demeno xwris na exei kai ta side effects tou compressora/limiter apo kapoia peaks sto mix ta opoia tha ton anagasoun na piesei to shma ligo pio poly, kai analoga me ton compressora, tha to akouseis kai mporei na mhn sou aresei.

    Emena mou aresei na akouw kai to mix na pumparei ligo apo enan full-range compressora. Enas multiband compressoras mou dinei fobero control gia na diorthwsw ateleies se kapoio sygekrimeno kommati tou fasmatos, xwris na ephreasw olo to frequency range.

    Oso gia ton MJ. Oi eykoles lyseis einai merikes fores kai oi kalyteres. Otan exeis dead lines, prepei na kaneis thn douleia sou, ama kaneis thn douleia sou gia poly kairo, ksereis kai alla grhgorotera monopatia gia na ftaseis sto epithimyto apotelesma. Mporei ayto na shmainei oti ebales to xeri ligo pio batheia sthn tseph sou otan eftiakes to studio, alla makroprothesma ayto deixnei ta yper tou. To engineering den einai diagwnismos gia to poios tha exei to kalytero apotelesma me ta lhgotera resources, alla h epitefksh tou kalyterou apotelesmatos aneksrthtos studio gear.

    To "Thriller" tou MJ einai gia mena ena kalo paradeigma gia to pws tha eprepe na einai shmera h Pop mousikh.

     

    Tsiou.

    The Death of Dynamic Range

    @ Ηχοληψία, Παραγωγή, Mix & Master

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    Merikoi den goustaroun dynamic range. Den milao gia trelo limiting pou petsokobei olo to frequency range, alla milao gia pumping compression pou kanei tous hxous na ksephdane apo to P.A. kai einai teleiws "in your face".

    Pws na to kanoume dhladh...ama theleis classical music, h na kaneis hxo gia tainies, h kati tetoio, cool. Alla ama kaneis dance, hip-hop, rock, pop, funk mousikh, oso pio slamming ta bassa, ta drums, lip/breathing action sta vox (ala Michael Jackson), kai fat kithares...etc, toso to kalytero.

     

    Oso gia ta Pro-Tools, ta eipate eidh.

    Oloi oi dhthen "hot-shot" producers pou den thelane na asxolountai me computers, hthelan ena aksiopoisto digital platform na doulepsoun kai oi (eksypnoi) anthrwpoi tis Digidesign tous edosan ena systhma me poly kalo audio engine, excellent digital summing opou mporeis na mixareis pola channels internaly kai na mhn xaneis se poiothta...tous dwsane kai TDM plg-ins gia na blepoun ton Urei kai ton LA2A sto screen mpas kai tous mperdepsoun kai nomizoun oti to sound quality einai to idio me enan hardware original black/silverface kai Teletronix limiter...San na sou deixnoun mia agelada sthn othonh kai na sou paizoun probata apo ta monitors mexri na peis oti oi agelades belazoun dhladh... :roll:

     

    Tsiou.

    TECHNO HOUSE PROGRESSIVE soft

    @ DAW & Υπολογιστές

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    Nai to psy-trance einai arketa pareksighmeno me ola ayta ta Israilitika tsiftetelia pou yparxoun aytes tis meres. Alla einai kai merika kala sxhmata kyrios apo Denmark, Sweden kai UK pou exoun kalo output.

    Thn trance fash pou goustareis den thn exo eksereynhsei, tosos ligos xronos, tosa polla pragmata na akouso, den prolabaino.

    Aphex, Squarepusher, Aerovane..etc kai ta Warp releases mou aresoun pantos.

    To minimoog ths Arturia den mou arese, poly flat hxos kai to filtro tou einai makria apo ena original Moog, idios otan to resonance einai se pshla settings. Idia fash me to Moog Modular, polys logos gia to tipota ama exeis doulepsei me real analog.

     

    Tsiou.

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